the guys who were his secret service, the guys who were his f.b.i., the guys who were his c.i.a. were cuban which means they were totally loyal to him and to the castro blows. no... brothers. no fooling around with the military coups, no fooling around with the pop situation. that is not an unimportant issue. if there was a discussion on sunday night in caracas about what to do with the rules i think the cubans played a very important role because for cuba maintaining the oil subsidy is only a matter of life and death. they probably pushed for it. >> charlie: they pushed for? maduro to do whatever had to be done. if it was done, i don't know yet. i want to see the recount. i have my suspicions. i come from a country where we teach people how to steal elections. that's what we do. we're good at that. >> charlie: do you think that maduro didn't really win. >> i would like to be sure. i would like to be sure that they didn't have an electoral operation in the afternoon to krek the results. i don't know that. >> jimmy carter monitored over 90 elections in 90 foreign countries. he sai